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Preamp Bypass

PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:05 am
by Phil.c
Can anyone remember the preamp bypass wireing, I seem to remember it as red to ring and black to sleeve?

Phil

Re: Preamp Bypass

PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:29 am
by Crash
I am not sure I understand the question....

Re: Preamp Bypass

PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:31 am
by Phil.c
Ok, this was discussed on the other forum a few years back.

Using an outside preamp and going from there to the D8b inserts I believe that jack wiring can bypass the D8b's preamps, a wireing diagram was posted but I can't find it.

Phil

Re: Preamp Bypass

PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:07 pm
by Crash
OK, now that makes more sense now that you have explained it to me. I always use the ALT I/O slot for such things, though this route seems interesting.

Re: Preamp Bypass

PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:10 pm
by Petersueco
The return signal goes to the ring. The send goes to the tip.

Mackie Hook Up Guide Page 3

Peter Holmquist.

Re: Preamp Bypass

PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:45 am
by csp
Phil,

Just remember that the input side of the insert socket will be -10db.

Check carefully that the external mic pre is not sending +4db from its output ---- +4db into -10db simply just doesn't go --- you could easily blow up the d8B's input section.

If the mic pre is sending a mic level signal (about -50 to -60db) then the insert section will not have enough gain to get any usable signal.

I would suggest going Crash's way, or using one of the d8B's Line inputs.

David

Re: Preamp Bypass

PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:36 am
by Phil.c
Thanks guys.
Blowing the D8b's input section does'nt appeal to me, i've had enough problems in the past but fingers crossed things have settled down now.

At the moment I am using a Focusrite ISA430 and from there into the D8'b's line in and with it's gain off, but i've just done a comparison recording. The sound doing it this way has a lot more top to it than recording straight into the D8b's line in, probably due to two pre amps being used.

Phil

Re: Preamp Bypass

PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:17 pm
by Crash
Phil.c wrote:At the moment I am using a Focusrite ISA430 and from there into the D8'b's line in and with it's gain off, but i've just done a comparison recording. The sound doing it this way has a lot more top to it than recording straight into the D8b's line in.

Phil


Have you tried the ALT I/O slot? It looks like the purest straightest path in when compared to a channel. I would be curious to hear if you detect any loss of high end (or more top end depending on your point of view) with this path.

Re: Preamp Bypass

PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:02 pm
by Phil.c
I'll give it a shot.

Phil

Re: Preamp Bypass

PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:28 pm
by anyhorizon
csp wrote:Phil,

Just remember that the input side of the insert socket will be -10db.

Check carefully that the external mic pre is not sending +4db from its output ---- +4db into -10db simply just doesn't go --- you could easily blow up the d8B's input section.

If the mic pre is sending a mic level signal (about -50 to -60db) then the insert section will not have enough gain to get any usable signal.

I would suggest going Crash's way, or using one of the d8B's Line inputs.

David


I don't recall that being the case. The send and return are unbalanced but the level is still nominally +4dB.

Peter