MIDI Mapping

[NigelC]

Checked that and checked BIOS settings to no avail. Has anyone with Logic managed to successfully MIDI map faders? As I said I can control a Logic fader via a mapped D8B fader, it just will not work in reverse which means if I use a mapped fader then adjust one in the HUI layer and switch back it has not updated. I know the MIDI is okay in theory because in the HUI layer bidirectional control works fine. So is it just not possible?

Or could the MIDI card really be faulty if it works in HUI? (I have tried all MIDI channels to be sure its not this).

[anyhorizon]

I'll just ask, can you see midi activity on your midi interface when you move a fader in Logic?

Peter

[Casey_Pittman]

why are you trying to control the same fader with the map and hui? I might be misunderstanding you, that's just how it came across in the post above.

-Casey

[NigelC]

Firstly yes I am seeing MIDI activity. And as I said the HUI layer works bidirectionally so if I had a MIDI problem surely this would not work. What I was trying to do was use the HUI layer to make fine adjustments to Logic channels but use a MIDI mapped layer for volume only so I could make swifter changes to up to 24 channels.

As I stated the MIDI into Logic works fine on the MIDI Mapped layer. However the fader does not receive movement back if I move a fader in Logic's mixer. Now this is not really an issue but I think this is the reason the MIDI mapped fader does not update in real time if I switch to HUI and make a volume change.

I just wanted to find out if anyone had managed to get Logic to control a D8B fader using midi mapping as I am wondering if it is possible at all?

[Casey_Pittman]

As I stated the MIDI into Logic works fine on the MIDI Mapped layer. However the fader does not receive movement back if I move a fader in Logic's mixer. Now this is not really an issue but I think this is the reason the MIDI mapped fader does not update in real time if I switch to HUI and make a volume change

That would mean that the d8b could translate both HUI and a map at the same time. If you switch to HUI isn't the placement of the fader now confined to the masters bank? The mapped fader is no longer receiving the midi info from logic. Plus, I'm not sure how logic handles multiple devices but maybe the d8b isn't meant to be switched back and fourth between the HUI and a midi map. Or am I talking out of my ass?

Now I have had issues to where if I load the d8b session with midi maps before I load the cubase session the faders don't talk until I grab them one at a time to "wake" them up.

Maybe Mackie decided that one or the other was enough for the workflow at the time. But now with more advanced DAWs this is really showing the limitations of the software.

But you are still having trouble moving a fader in logic and having the d8b fader respond. That might be a logic issue and like I said I'm kinda useless when it comes to that software. Maybe some screenshots of the midi window in logic could help.

-Casey

[NigelC]

Well just to clarify. If I move a MIDI mapped fader, the HUI layer updates when I switch to it so I do not think two faders addressing the same channel is the issue. I think from doing further research its down to something called MIDI feedback and HUI has this built in. I am going to try a few things, one being creating an environment object to pass MIDI back to the D8B via the Logic fader move. Someone has also written a software called CL XMU http://www.opuslocus.com/lcxmu/ and I am going to try that as well.

I also think its due to some limitations in the way Logic handles MIDI out of channels.

[NigelC]

So I have done some more investigation. I put a monitor in Logic's environment on a fader and can see MIDI activity, also I can see MIDI out activity when I move a fader in Logic. I have checked in HUI and it still works both ways.

Surely if the card were faulty HUI would fail too as its all through the MIDI card? I have tried all MIDI channels including disabling HUI. The MIDI Map is set to Direction "Both". Has anyone else managed to MIDI Map a fader and be able to control it from their DAW as well as control their DAW from Logic?

I tried trashing Logic's Control Surface prefs but this did not help. I created a new session on the D8B again no help. The card has IRQ10 with a jumper on and Base 6 with a jumper on is this right? Can the D8B handle this type of MIDI input?

[anyhorizon]

Cubase works both ways for me. There's a bit of a discrepancy in numeration but otherwise, perfect.

Peter

[NigelC]

Going to try the cables and sending the MIDI elsewhere to make sure its the D8B or MIDI Card.

[NigelC]

I am totally stumped. Beginning to wonder if the MIDI Card or Cable is duff. Can someone confirm if its possible its the cable. I replaced it a while ago with one I obtained with a MIDIMAN 1x1 Card (says 1995 on it). Tried the card today and this does not work, so wondering if there is something odd about the cable even though it looks identical to the original.

Is it possible that HUI MIDI signals are getting sent back when MIDI Map signals are not? I also discovered something else. I assumed MIDI was being output by Logic when moving a fader in its mixer, however if I switch HUI off on the D8B the MIDI mapped layer no longer transmits back (there seems to be a delay of a few seconds before it stops).

As an experiment I tried my Novation controller and it receives feedback from Logic fine.